Kunskapen om Amerika

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Jerrark
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Kunskapen om Amerika

Inlägg av Jerrark » 21 november 2020, 15:13

Omkring år 1000 kom ju nordbor att besöka och under en viss period också bo i Amerika. Berättelser om dessa besök kom ju också att skrivas ned i ett par sagor. Hur länge levde denna kunskap kvar? Jag kan tänka mig att nordborna på Grönland kan ha hållit kunskapen vid liv, och den fanns ju i sagorna på Island.

Men nådde denna kunskap någonsin resten av Europa? Kände Columbus till något om dessa gamla berättelser? Hur var det med folk i Norge, Sverige eller Danmark? Eller Tyskland? Hur långt spred sig kunskapen om att det fanns ett land i väst?
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Janneman61
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Re: Kunskapen om Amerika

Inlägg av Janneman61 » 21 november 2020, 17:11

Kanske Iriska munkar var före "våra" vikingar..

https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan

kylarvende
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Re: Kunskapen om Amerika

Inlägg av kylarvende » 21 november 2020, 22:24

https://www.quora.com/Was-Columbus-awar ... o-the-king

“Columbus had collected and collated information from many sailors about these legends. He even perused objects that had appeared to have floated across the Atlantic and arrived on the western shores of both Europe and Africa. Objects of strange purpose and design.
All of this information suggested that there were indeed lands to the west of Europe and lands with people in them. He merely assumed that this was the eastern coasts of Asia.”

Jerrark
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Re: Kunskapen om Amerika

Inlägg av Jerrark » 22 november 2020, 19:58

Här är en artikel om huruvida Columbus någonsin besökte Island.
Columbus and Iceland: New Light on an Old Problem
Author(s): Alwyn A. Ruddock
https://sci-hub.se/https://www.jstor.or ... 6276?seq=1

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Re: Kunskapen om Amerika

Inlägg av kylarvende » 23 november 2020, 00:02

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/ ... e_vikings/

“Some medieval geographers (Adam of Bremen, Ranulf Higden) knew about a remote land that the 'Vikings' called "Vinland" (though they translated it incorrectly) but they really didn't know where it was. Some put it east of Norway, others west of Denmark and some near Iceland. It doesn't help that most of these geographers thought it was an island that was found, not a continent.”

kylarvende
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Re: Kunskapen om Amerika

Inlägg av kylarvende » 23 november 2020, 00:22

http://www.marcopolovoyages.com/Article ... Dates.html

“1050 A runestone in Honen , Norway, honors mariners lost at sea on a voyage from Vinland to the Arctic hunting grounds.
1053 Vinland is mentioned as part of the diocese of Bishop Jon of Ireland.
1067 Historian Adam of Bremen reports that Nordic Prince Harold of the Northmen "explored the northern ocean to the boundaries of the earth."
1073 Historian Adam of Bremen reports that the Wineland colony is noted for its wines. (Apparently, some Nordic settlers managed to get along with the natives by this time.)
c.1100 A tapestry from Skog, Sweden, features a farmstead of turkeysthe distinctive New World game bird.
1112 Pope Paschal II appoints Erik Gnupsson bishop of Greenland and adjacent regions (i.e., Vinland).
1117 Bishop Gnupsson visits "Vinilanda"according to text on the 1440 Yale Vinland Map.
1120 French historian Odericus Vitalis refers to "Wineland" in his Historia Ecclesiastica.
1121 Icelandic historian Are Frode ("The Learned") reports Bishop Gnupsson's 2nd voyage to the western colony of Wineland.2
“1360 Priests from "Dusky Norway" (North America) visit the king in Bergen.”
“1484 Portuguese Atlantic Domination
A papal bull designates Portugal as owner of all Atlantic isles by virtue of its new campaign of exploration and evangelism. Portuguese mariners sail often to old Norse territories where they report "white" natives in Stock Fish Land (i.e., Newfoundland). Gaspar Corte-Real took many white settlers from this region as slaves in 1500 and shipped them back to Portugal.
1486 Portuguese captain Fernao Dulmo and German cosmographer Martin Behaim chart the isles of "Stockfish Land," i.e., Newfoundland.”

Jerrark
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Re: Kunskapen om Amerika

Inlägg av Jerrark » 28 december 2020, 20:12

Hittade följande på Wikipedia
Norse legends and sagas

In 1009, legends report that Norse explorer Thorfinn Karlsefni abducted two children from Markland, an area on the North American mainland where Norse explorers visited but did not settle. The two children were then taken to Greenland, where they were baptized and taught to speak Norse.

In 1420, Danish geographer Claudius Clavus Swart wrote that he personally had seen "pygmies" from Greenland who were caught by Norsemen in a small skin boat. Their boat was hung in Nidaros Cathedral in Trondheim along with another, longer boat also taken from "pygmies". Clavus Swart's description fits the Inuit and two of their types of boats, the kayak and the umiak. Similarly, the Swedish clergyman Olaus Magnus wrote in 1505 that he saw in Oslo Cathedral two leather boats taken decades earlier. According to Olaus, the boats were captured from Greenland pirates by one of the Haakons, which would place the event in the 14th century.

Pre-Columbian trans-oceanic contact theories
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Colum ... NA_finding

Jerrark
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Re: Kunskapen om Amerika

Inlägg av Jerrark » 9 januari 2021, 18:35

TV program om vikingarna som nådde Amerika, och också en del spekulationer om andra resenärer från Europa och Afrika före Columbus.


Före Columbus - de som upptäckte Amerika

För många är Columbus fortfarande mannen som upptäckte Amerika - men han var inte först. Vikingen Leif Eriksson var troligen den förste europé att sätta sin fot på amerikansk mark runt år 1000. Den medeltida walesiska prinsen Madoc sägs ha byggt fort längs Ohiofloden. Och en kung från Mali i Västafrika ska ha spenderat enorma summor på flottor som seglat över 200 år före Columbus.

https://www.svtplay.se/video/29528808/f ... ?info=visa

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